Rafale Scam

PM Modi has renegotiated the Rafale deal to great advantage of Ambanis and even greater disadvantage to India. He is now buying far fewer planes at multifold cost without any technology transfer – just to enrich The Ambanis.

Can India Stop Rafale Scam?

Normally, we come to know about a scam long after it has happened. But thanks to our credit-seeking PM and his Media which glorifies his failures as achievements, we Indians are witnessing a scam in progress right now in front of our own eyes (if they’re open). Yes, we’re talking about Rafale Deal.

This scam not only involves our hard earned money but it also has serious implications for India’s security & morale of our Armed Forces. This also tells us for whom is the Hon’ble PM is actually working – For crores of Indians who voted for him, or for his cronies who fund his election campaigns.

We’ll have to understand the scam first. The Deal involves purchase of 36 Rafale fighter planes from France through Government to Government deal done by our Hon’ble PM.

History of the Rafale Deal

IAF (Indian Air Force) is in dire need of around 200 MMRCA (Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft) since 2001. UPA approved the demand in 2007 and initiated the bidding. Many companies responded & finally Dassault won the bidding in 2012 to provide 126 Rafales at US$ 10.2 Billion, 18 jets to be provided ready-to-fly and rest 108 to be Made in India by HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) via technology transfer. [1][2] The deal also had other goodies, like Dassault was supposed to invest 50% revenue from this deal into India itself.[3]

Comparison of two deals
Detail Original Deal Modi’s Deal
Number of Planes 126 36
Total Contract Bn USD 10.2 8.74
Cost per plane Mn USD 81 243
Technology Transfer Yes No

Dassault bid was the lower than the shortlisted Eurofighter and loaded with many benefits for India. Dassault was on the verge of bankruptcy and without this deal, France’s future as a defence supplier was in jeopardy. The deal Dassault offered after it’s unsuccessful attempts to export Rafales to Brazil & UAE, even made China nervous.[4] They offered their best deal and India awarded them the contract, and followed up with negotiations to iron-out the details. The negotiations ended when PM Modi changed the entire deal (turned it on it’s head, actually, totally scrapping the Original Deal[5]) and announced purchase of 36 Ready-to-fly planes at almost 3-times the original cost from France.

Bye Bye Make in India. Bye Bye Technology Transfer. Bye Bye all the benefits to India, based on which Dassault won the bid in the first place.[6]

Look at the brazen loot of Money in above Table.

Partnership and technology transfer to HAL in original contract was with a strategic objective of developing indigenous capability in the long run. India can’t keep on purchasing super-costly aircrafts from other nations forever. Technology transfer and manufacturing of 108 jets in India by HAL was most important aspect of original deal, which PM Modi has done away with.

A PM who wants to make India a super power doesn’t do such scams and Insult India world over. The deal, as it stands today, is a full blown scam to loot India and benefits Mr Modi’s cronies.

What caused the change in deal?

So why did Hon’ble PM Modi spoil a sweet deal benefiting India (from a desperate company in serious need of business) into an outrageous losing proposition to empty India’s coffers to enrich France’s? What really happened?

Mukesh Ambani Happened. Anil Ambani Happened.

Within less than 2 weeks after Dassault bagged India’s 126 MMRCS deal, Mukesh Ambani became Dassault’s partner. [7] So did Anil Ambani, afterwards.[8] Surprised? Now Dassault, which was ready to provide 126 Rafales at US$ 10.2 Billion, 18 ready to fly and 108 to be made in India by HAL allegedly asked additional money for weapons systems and technology transfer stretching the deal from 10.2 Billion to 14-18 Billion US$. Not only this, they reportedly refused to provide any guarantee for planes made by HAL. [9] In short, they broke every single clause, rider in the original contract. Although, we must point out that this was denied by Dassault at the time, who told PTI in Feb 2015 that they were still sticking to the original RFP price.[10]

There are numerous stories in the media about these escalated prices. The figures quoted by Defence Minister Parrikar are very strange. Speaking to Doordarshan on April 13, 2015, Parrikar had revealed Rafale’s bid for 126 fighters, stating: “When you talk of 126 (Rafale) aircraft, it becomes a purchase of about Rs 90,000 crores’ — Rs 715 crore per fighter after adding all costs.”[11] Parrikar had escalated the deal from $10.2 Bn to $14 Bn (90,000 Cr Rs) without any apparent reason, when Dassault themselves had said they were sticking to the RFP price.

And, merely a month later, on May 31 2015, Parrikar was quoted as saying “the UPA deal for 126 Rafales was way too expensive and it would have hampered other modernisation plans of the Indian military. The deal would have required around Rs 1.3 lakh crore over a period of 10-11 years, he added.”[12]

Very suspiciously, an already escalated figure of 90,000 crores ($14 Billion) for the deal merely a month ago had suddenly become $20 Billion now, almost a 50% increase in 50 days, for no rhyme or reason. Was the Modi government merely feeding these figures  and lying to the media to justify its grounds for the renegotiation?

When Dassault entered the bid, it had no leverage and much to lose if it didn’t get the bid. Dassault was desperate, it’s reputation of being non-transparent in it’s business (rated worst – F Band by transparency international) wasn’t helping it much and Dassault’s CEO himself was mired in charges of financial irregularities.[13] But Dassault-Ambani partnership changed everything. Now, Ambani – who controlled most of the politicians, thus controlled the government itself, was Dassault’s partner. So Dassault-Ambani started arm twisting Indian government to get the most out of the deal. Read about Ambani’s Gas Scams to know about his arm twisting prowess.[14]

Thankfully, it wasn’t that easy. At first whiff of corruption, the Defence Minister of UPA at the time, A K Antony – considered a rare honest politician in BJP-Con flock, stopped serious negotiations, delaying the deal. So Dassault-Ambani had to wait out 2 more years until Modi became PM.

Modi-Ambani unholy nexus is not a secret anymore. Modi shamelessly lends his face (PM’s credibility) to Ad campaigns of Ambani’s commercial products (Jio). So as soon as Modi had an opportunity, he ratified the deal that is most disadvantageous to India and Most profitable to Dassault-Ambani. What’s more, PM single handedly took this decision, perhaps without even getting formal cabinet nod. Defence minister Parrikar himself wasn’t aware of the deal before 48 hours of the announcement. Crazy, eh?

It’s been said that Modi’s top guns Jaitley, Parrikar etc are not happy with Modi’s Deal. Subramanian Swamy of BJP has publicly spoken against and written a letter to PM Modi to stop this deal.[15] He even threatened to file a PIL to stop the deal. A Rajya Sabha Seat has silenced him about his PIL to stop Rafale Scam. Of course, no one is talking about it, because most of Indian Media has been reduced to Modi’s cheerleaders. But for how long?

The scam is not in purchasing Rafale. Scam is at the outrageous price the jets are being purchased for and that too with terms which are totally unfair to India, trashing all the original objectives of the deal. India doesn’t need just jets. It needs cost-effective technology. If India had appointed our enemy Hafiz Saeed to negotiate a deal with Dassault-Ambani for us, even he might have come up with a better deal than Modi’s Deal!

Excuses being peddled

Of course, you’ll find whole teams of propagandists on Twitter, FaceBook, Quora, entire internet in fact, feeding you false theories and rumours about how this is a golden deal for India, but fact remains, this is a Bull-Shit deal and a big scam to empty India’s coffers into Dassault-Ambani’s pockets. Just this week, Anil Ambani got the contract to manufacture spare-parts for yet to be made Rafales.[8] There goes the offset into Ambani’s Pocket.

Bhakts argue that original deal of US$ 10.2 Bn had escalated to US$ 20 Bn or even more by the time Modi took charge and thus he scrapped the deal. A Lie. There are only 2 ways for cost escalation. 1: Inflation, which was agreed upon at 3.9% annual flat rate in the Original Deal. 2: Dassault breaches the contract. So how does US$ 81 Mn jet become US$ 243 Mn in matter of 2-3 years with flat rate inflation index of 3.9%? How? By Magic? This is the scam, precisely. This article explains this Magic is Ambani. Immediately after Dassault won the tender, Ambani partnered with Dassault. There was no reason to scrap the original deal, except there was no profit for Ambani in the original deal. So Ambani-Dassault started playing dirty games until Modi came into picture and scrapped the Original Deal and announced the Ambani Version. Additional minor customizations were added in the original deal so that the two deals can’t be compared straight away and to empower Modi’s dirty tricks department to fool people using these minor customisations as reason for cost escalation from US$ 81 Mn to US$ 243 Mn per jet without tech transfer. This is why a white-paper on the Rafale Deal explaining the Original Deal, reasons for scrapping it and the New Deal in detail is required. The alleged scam in Bofors deal was just Rs 64 Crore, This is Rs 59000 Crore Deal. Think about it.

Bhakts argue that jets in Modi’s deal are upgraded (even tailor-made) for Indian terrain and the jets in original deal were basic model, so 3-fold cost escalation is justified. Firstly, these are NOT tailor-made planes for Indian terrain. Dassault was awarded the original deal because Rafales were best for Indian terrain. Secondly, the so called upgrades cost no more than US$ 10 Mn per plane. Does this justify cost escalation from US$ 81 Mn to US$ 243 Mn? For example, per jet, Meteor Missile integration costs less than US$ 2 Mn (Missiles themselves are US$ 2.1 Mn per piece extra) per jet, Helmet Mounted Display System (HDMS) made by Elbit of Israel costs US$ 0.4 Mn. So We’re getting essentially the same so called basic model with minor upgrades at 3 times the original cost. Open Loot. FYI, just in March 2015, Modi’s crony Adani partnered with Elbit of Israel.[16] There’s something for everyone.

Bhakts argue that HAL, our own public sector company, has no efficiency/competence to make Rafales. Dassault wasn’t comfortable partnering with HAL. So? Is this deal for Dassault’s comfort? Dassault won the tender for providing 126 jets – 108 of them made in India via tech transfer with 50% offset at US$ 10.2 Bn. That was the deal, and that’s what India must demand (at same cost, adjusted according to Inflation Index of 3.9% flat rate), OR impose penalty on Dassault for breach of contract and wasting India’s time. Why would PM Modi deal with Dassault, if they back-tracked on the Original Deal? Too much trust in Ambanis? Anyways, the fact remains that HAL has made more planes that have flown, and won us wars, than Ambani ever has. Do you never get sick of Bhakts who tirelessly defend scams of Ambani-Modi-Adani and pass it off as patriotism? Would you trust planes or spare-parts made by the Ambanis?

Bhakts argue that Modi made possible the 50% offset (reinvestment in India into companies which will make spares for Rafales. this part was in the original deal as well, but instead of just spares, 108 jets were to be made in India through technology transfer!), which will generate limitless jobs and business. Fact is, It has been India’s policy since 2005 that 30% offset will be part of every defence deal bigger than 300 crores. In this specific deal, the offset was already 50%. Modi hasn’t changed this 50% to 100% or even 51%. Period. Thank MMS if you must for the 50% offset clause. Modi has nothing to do with it. Modi is buying Rafales at 3 times the original cost (original 81 Mn US$ vs current 243 Mn US$ per plane). So even after 50% offset (read Ambani’s Profit), we’re getting the planes 1.5 times (50%) costlier. And the 50% offset is not pure discount. So even 50% offset clause has been offsetted against India.[17] Further, won’t the offset generate 3 times more jobs and business if spares were to be made for 126 jets of original deal instead of just 36? Don’t do the Drugs, Bhakts. Do the Math.

Bhakts argue that in Modi’s deal, Dassault will ensure battle readiness of 25 (70% of 36) jets. But Dassault gave same guarantee in original deal too, for 13 (70% of 18) jets made by them. This is standard guarantee Dassault offers to everyone, nothing special. More importantly, India was negotiating to get the same guarantee for 108 planes made by HAL in India as well. Modi scrapped the whole thing, and now we’re paying 3 times per plane (for whole lot of 36 planes) for battle-readiness of just 12 more planes? Really? Further, reliability has never been an issue with most non Russian aircrafts, like Dassault’s own Mirage 2000. We have 51 of them since 1980. This was the reason IAF preferred more expensive Dassault & Eurofighter in its evaluation as compared to Sukhoi.

Bhakts would no-doubt talk about how we’re paying more because of eroding rupee. It’s bullshit of course. The deal is in US$ anyways, so exchange rate doesn’t matter at all. Their argument is ludicrous, however, as the deal is even bigger a scam when considered in INR. As per 2012 Deal, we were getting 126 jets (US$ 81 or Rs 445 Crore per plane) + tech transfer at 10.2 Bn US$, now we’re getting just 36 jets (US$ 243 or Rs 1617 Crore per plane) without tech transfer for 8.74 Bn US$. What we’re getting in Modi’s deal is not even 1/3rd (Considering the deal in US$) or 1/4th (Considering the deal in Rs) of original deal.

Bhakts argue that 108 planes constructed in India by HAL would cost us more than Modi’s deal (per plane). This is absolute crap. The deal with Rafale was for 10.2 Bn US$ for 18 ready to fly Jets + technology transfer whereby Dassault will make 108 planes with HAL in India. That was the deal. Period. Modi’s dirty tricks department is in dire need of people with grey matter.

Bhakts argue that Modi has revised original inflation index – 3.9% flat rate, to floating rate capped at 3.5%. You must be laughing already. At inflation index if 3.9% flat as per original deal, it would take 20+ full years until we pay double for the jets (even if compounded annually). We don’t want to pay double in 20 years, so we pay 3 times right now with floating inflation index capped at 3.5%? Who’s dumb? Modi? Bhakts? India? Don’t clap. Hit your head on nearest wall.

Bhakts argue that this deal should be compared with Egypt & Qatar’s Rafale Deals. Why? Why should we compare Modi’s deal with other countries’s recent deals, but not with Original Deal Rafale had with India back in 2012? This is like saying, see we can’t buy at lower price we had signed the deal 4 years back. We must buy at higher price someone else is buying now. Why indeed?

Bhakts will accuse you of depriving Army of Rafale jets. On the contrary opposition to this deal is to empower the Army and India by getting 18 Jets + Tech Transfer, manufacturing 108 Rafale fighters in India (Make In India) and other goodies as were present in Original Deal. We have to save our Tax money meant to be used for Army and Nation from going to Dassault-Ambani’s pockets.

Bhakts argue that if there’s really a Rafale scam, why hasn’t congress spoken about it? Will you believe Congress, if they speak about it? Dear Bhakts, facts are in front of your eyes. Use your brain. Modi is purchasing marginally better planes at 3 times the price, forgoing the technology transfer, to benefit Ambani Brothers who both are Dassault’s partners. Congress is in Ambani-Adani’s pockets too. That’s why you voted Modi, instead of congress, remember?1

Bhakts would challenge you that if there’s really a Rafale Scam, file a PIL. Really? Just curious, How many PILs did you or Modi file on any previous government’s scams? Zero. So the previous governments didn’t do any scam?

Bhakts would accuse you of not knowing complexities of defence deals. If so, demand a white paper in national interest from PM on Dassault deal, including profiles of every entity involved in the deal. Surely, a white paper on the deal would clarify everything. It’s not too much to ask for, is it?

Bhakts argue that now Dassault is making tech transfer through JVs with Reliance. Really? Is India buying Rafales so that Reliance gets technology? Well the article says the same thing. This is a deal for Ambanis, Cronies. Not for India. Most ridiculous argument in defence of Dassault-Ambani.

Bhakts would accuse you of being anti-Modi. And indeed you are anti-Modi in this case, because Modi wants to empty India’s coffers into Ambani’s pockets, and you’re trying to stop him.

Of course, when Media itself is feeding lies to People of India with unnamed “source” based plants like this, you can’t really blame bhakts. Every benefit described in this plant is a lie. This article glorifies Rafale Scam as Modi’s achievement. Will you read DNA again? I won’t.

Addendum

As mentioned in the article itself, Modi propaganda machinery has been spreading lies to defend Rafale Scam. What’s funny, they’re just repeating the same lies that have already been busted. I’m committed to bust every single propaganda of Modi’s dirty tricks department on Rafale Deal. The more they lie, the better this article will be. You need not believe me. You have facts. You have brain. Use both.

References

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French close in on India jet deal. 2017. BBC News. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-16809532. Accessed October 20.
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K., DEEPALAKSHMI. 2016. All you need to know about Rafale deal. The Hindu. April 16. [Source]
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France’s Dassault wins IAF fighter deal. 2012. The New Indian Express. January 31. [Source]
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The Rafale deal and why it makes China nervous. 2013. Rediff. January 20. [Source]
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Government withdraws tender for 126 medium multi role combat aircraft: Manohar Parrikar – The Economic Times. 2015. The Economic Times. July 30. [Source]
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Rafale Jet Deal Doesn’t Comply with “Make in India” slogan. Defence Expert D. Raghunandan’s Interview. 2016. NewsClick. April 19. [Source]
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Reliance enters defence manufacture with Rafale maker. 2012. Rediff. February 13. [Source]
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Anil Ambani’s Reliance Group Awarded Contract Worth ₹22,000 Crore From India’s Rafale Jet Fighter Deal. 2016. Huffington Post India. October 3. [Source]
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France, India Disagree Over Key Rafale Contract Issue. 2017. aviationweek.com. http://aviationweek.com/defense/france-india-disagree-over-key-rafale-contract-issue. Accessed October 20.
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Rafale deal: Dassault says no change in pricing. 2015. The Hindu Business Line. February 19. [Source]
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4 reasons why Rafale could ruin Modi and Parrikar’s party. 2016. Rediff. September 22. [Source]
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Will buy only 36 Rafales, no need for 126: Parrikar. 2017. The Hindu. http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/parrikar-to-buy-only-36-rafales-no-need-for-126/article7268264.ece. Accessed November 14.
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Rai, Siddhartha. 2015. Dassault ranked among the least transparent defence companies. Mail Online. April 26. [Source]
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Peri, Dinakar. 2015. Swamy to move court if Rafale deal is finalised. The Hindu. April 10. [Source]
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Why Rafale is a Big Mistake. 2014. The New Indian Express. July 25. [Source]
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133 comments

  • This whole website is Anti Modi, i don’t know know whether congi or other opposition may have led this.

    What’s the use of gun without a bullet, Aircraft without effecient weapon will be flying Duck, and 50% offset is no less to create an effecient ecosystem for aviation industry ( 59,000 X 0.5 = 29,500 crores will be invested in India by Dassault) and by inserting leg in Rafale deal will do good to pak and Anti Indian forces. Do all these scam screamers have solution if this deal is broken or single concrete evidence for their allegations. And is Modi govt. fool to make a blunder in such hyped deal, The price shall be compared with the recent deals of 24 with qatar and 24 with egypt, and then one will find that the deal is actually at a negotiated price.

    The present govt. after running 2.5 years is transparent, and non corrupt.

    We have our own intellectual to understand what’s right and wrong, the people have awaken now, they will not fall to any propoganda.

    • saafbaat editor

      As pointed out by the author, the 50% offset is needlessly being projected as an achievement by Modi Propaganda, this has actually been the norm in all big defence contracts since 2008. The original deal also had the offset. Pls refer to a ISDA paper by S. Sunder on Implementation of Offset Policy if you are interested.

      • Ranjan Prasad Singh

        Saafbaat editors,
        Are you working on behalf of china or pakistan, that you are trying to stalemate the Rafael delivery. Pls remember, if you don’t go to court with evidence in 3 months, we will charge you for anti national activities and consipiracy against India.
        Rgds,

        • saafbaat editor

          Short Answers:
          1) NO.
          2) Sure. So, asking for an investigation into this is a “conspiracy against India”? LOL.

          • Dear editor
            Asking for investigation is not wrong but asking for investigation with the sole motive to scuttle the deal and hence jeopardize our defense preparedness is certainly anti national.

          • saafbaat editor

            Actually, it was Mr Modi who scuttled the deal.

            IAF needs 200 such medium range planes, was getting 126 + the capability to produce more ingenuously, now we will only get 36, at a vastly inflated price, and no transfer of technology. No word on any alternatives either.

          • very informative article.It may be d reason behind fuel hikes n 28% gst to generate awsome money.

        • he is working on the behalf of Congress party to make the public fool.

          • We published this article in October last year, a full year before Congress raised this issue.

    • Parveen Sahrawat

      50% offset is part of almost all defence deals, and it is since long. Losing TOT to HAL is a strategic loss.

    • “Own intellectuals” like “alternative facts”???

  • The sheer ignorance and arrogance of the writer is mind boggling. STOP CHECKING THE NUMBERS YOU DUMBO. Do you even know the difference between two deals?
    Those 126 rafale were the lowest/basic model/version of the rafale jet which would have been SH*T in India’s Himalayan region. Out of these, only 18 would have been directly purchased with 108 being constructed at HAL under technology transfer scheme.
    Now, this is where it gets tricky – the estimate cost of building one rafale was WAY HIGHER than per rafale cost under this new deal. why don’t you show that number?

    UPA government also did a blunder while calculation of cost. the UPA government had agreed with French officials to calculate the price on the fixed cost formula that allowed the company to include additional price of 3.9 per cent inflation indices from day one of the deal. Out of 126 Rafales, 18 were supposed to be manufactured in France and delivered in space of couple of months, and the remaining 108 would have been manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) in India. So, had the India gone ahead with the UPA deal and the European Inflation Indices had fallen (as it indeed has), India would have ended up paying additional cost of inflation Indices (@3.9 per cent) which was already added at the initial negotiation itself. In short, India would have paid twice the price mentioned in the deal.

    now coming to the current rafale deal. the 36 rafales that we are receiving are all especially designed for indian terrain u DUMBO. The base price of the aircraft is about €91 million or about Rs. 680 crore. the Rafale will be customized with Indian-specific advanced weapons package and sensor arrays that will give the country edge in colder regions of Himalayas and Leh. This customization has taken the cost to Rs.1600 crore per aircraft for the whole deal.

    and whats more…out of these 36 rafales, india will not have to pay shit for maintenance of 27 rafales as 70% of 36 rafale will always be battle ready by dassault.

    I know, u r not going to publish this comment. i ain’t modi bhakt, neither i am with bjp or congress…i m just a common man seeking real truth which dumb people like you twist it for traffics and gains

    • saafbaat editor

      Despite your abusive language, we have published your comment.

      1. Base model of the aircraft is the same as in the original deal. The IAF indeed chose this over other rivals in bidding, because it was considered most suitable for terrain IAF expects to operate on (esp in high altitudes, and desert conditions, where some american planes have struggled). Weaponry spec has some changes between the two deals, however these are insufficient to explain the escalation in cost.

      2. Defence deals always have an inflation component. Paying a flat 3.9% inflation on price of 100 is not necessarily worse than we agreeing to pay double per unit, and negotiate floating inflation capped at 3.5% on price of 200.

      3. The 70% always battle ready guarantee was also present for planes made by Dassault, please also note that this high reliability has never been an issue with most non Russian aircraft in the fleet anyways. Previous IAF aircraft from Dassault, the Mirage 2000, typically have 75% readiness rates. This was a reason IAF preferred more expensive Dassault & Eurofightter in its evaluation as compared to Sukhoi.

      • @saafbaat_editor

        —> Weaponry spec has not some changes, but ITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Also the model is not same as France’s or Egypt’s or Libya’s. Lets start with nuclear strike capability. Even the French don’t have the version of rafale that delivers nuclear payload. It’s first time designed for India. Now, coming to weapons package. The weapons package includes Meteor radar guided Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile considered the best in the class with range of over 150 km and Scalp long range air to ground cruise missiles with range of over 300 km. Its integration on the Rafale means IAF can hit targets inside both Pakistan and across the northern and eastern borders while staying within India’s territorial boundary! On the other, India’s arch-nemesis Pakistan has only a BVR with 80 km range! The India specific modifications also includes Israeli helmet mounted displays, ability to start at cold bases like Leh, better radar, better detection and survival features among others.

        For other queries, following links will explain better –

        http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-all-you-need-to-know-about-rs-59000-crore-rafale-deal-india-and-france-signed-today-2257990

        http://english.manoramaonline.com/news/just-in/rafale-deal-cabinet-approval-signing-india-defense-france.html

        http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/rafale-deal-17-months-later-from-e12-bn-to-7-8-bn-with-more-benefits-3043330/

        http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/How-Narendra-Modi-reworked-Rafale-deal-and-why-its-a-winner/articleshow/46892688.cms

        And I would especially like ALL OF YOU TO CHECK BELOW ARTICLE WRITTEN BY A VETERAN AIR FIGHTER WITH 39 YEARS of EXPERIENCE. There he explains why previous deal was scrapped –

        http://www.deccanherald.com/content/574860/rafale-injects-renewed-vigour.html

        Secondly, mr. writer/AAP politician…I would have believed you had u been a neutral party. But since u r AAP politician, I would rather trust an ex-fighter pilot than a politician

        Please Please do post this comment

        • Thanks Mr Bhakt for exposing all Bhakts’ intellect and Modi’s DUMB propaganda. I would cherish ripping your misinformation propaganda apart.

          Your first comment and all your gung-ho is based on a DNA article (Owned by Zee) which doesn’t even disclose name of the author. Of course, like everything Zee, this is all praises for Modi, without telling us why the hell did he cancel the sweet deal. Is that your proof that there’s no scam or that Modi is great? What does it prove exactly, except it’s plant to defend Rafale Scam?

          Meteor BVR you’re so excited about costs US$ 3 Mn per plane, all inclusive. Helmet mounted Displays cost US$ 0.4 Mn. Add it to original deal cost per plane, US$ 81 Mn. What do we get? US$ 243 Mn? How much cut did you get Mr Bhakt?
          https://warisboring.com/the-best-air-to-air-missile-in-the-world-is-in-sweden-339b2cb6afa8#.jfn2u446o

          No one denies that the planes we’re getting are not the same, but upgradations are minor with respect to cost. Total opacity about this, except the quoted cost of 1700 Mn Euros for upgradations is enough to demand a white paper.

          Since you claim the Rafales Mr Modi is getting are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than the original deal, Please prove your claim with each change and cost escalation per change which can be corroborated from multiple sources. Since core of your argument is that we’re paying more because these are far superior jets, you must give list of changes and respective cost escalations before your argument is even considered. I’ve proved your argument is total BS. Your turn to prove otherwise. You can’t. Your DNA plant doesn’t contain that Info.

          And then comes Manorama article, also without author. Another plant. Staff-written article, eh?

          The Indian Express article compares Modi’s own first deal (Which would have been an even bigger scam) with his second attempt, while the scam is scrapping the original deal and turning it upside-down as Modi did. Height of stupidity. I’m getting a soap for 10 rupees. I scrap that deal and announce another deal for getting that soap with perfume at 50 Rupees. Then I negotiate and purchase this soap at 35 Rupees. My bhakts get multiple-orgasms!

          But wait, there’s times group article too. Arnab works for them, no? FYI, even that article doesn’t give any comparison. The better deal it talks about is his own 50 Rupees soap versus his new 35 Rupees soap. And of course, the article is all praises for Modi for purchasing 10 Rupee soap at Rs 35. The neighbour got the same soap at 50 Rs.

          Funny you quote an Army Veteran who is totally neutral, even critical of Modi’s deal. No one is saying 36 Rafales won’t help Army. The issue is COST. COST is the SCAM.

          And that’s precisely the issue Bhakts and Media ignore. Why are you beating around the bush? Just bring out a white-paper on the deal. Such opacity on such a high profile deal!

          And we’ve forgotten completely about Ambanis.

          Why are you guys letting this bhakt comment here, when he’s not able to falsify a single claim made in the article? Perhaps to expose DUMB bhakts and their arguments, eh? : )

          Thanks once again for exposing Bhakts, Modi and Media.

          • saafbaat editor

            We publish all comments, (bhakts or non bhakts alike! 😉 ), even those critical of our articles, as long as they aren’t abusive.

            (a very large number of purely abusive comments have been blocked)

          • Interesting comments but the articles fails to provide the proof that the additional arms cost less than projected. They are just quoting some values. But the source is unknown. Looks like a Jumla.

          • The values are quoted with references. That’s the proof. And you have all the liberty to bring your own proof and counter the article. Even after having proof, if you call it Jumla, I don’t know what will convince you about Modi’s scam.

            It’s specifically mentioned that the additional costs are not more than US$ 5-10 Mn for a jet that costs US$ 81 Mn. With references. If you want to believe that 81 Mn US$ jet megically becomes 243 Mn US$ with so called upgradations, your choice.

      • In earlier deal only 18 planes will be delivered & rest 108 planes will be manufactured in HAF, so the cost of manufacturing those will be over and above the agreed price previously.
        Pls correct me if I am wrong.

        • saafbaat editor

          Not really, the deal was for 126 aircraft. 18 in fly away condition, 108 were to be “assembled” at HAL.

          Also note that the 50% offset clause would have forced Dassault to re-invest back in India, just as now.

    • Modibhakt or Not, you Mr are one of a kind.

      Everything you wrote is baseless.
      Stupidity of unparalleled level.

      Prove every single claim you made, so that I can rip them apart.

      You’re funny though. You’re defending a scam and abusing Indians, and you think that makes you what? Sane? Bizzare!

    • gaurav kanaujia

      Great research and detailed queries..let anyone answer the issues raised and not get into idiotic name calling and maybe they will be taken seriously.

      • Exactly, let us have a civilized discussion without any name calling and abuses.

        I don’t do bhakti of any party, just care about the country.

        Some of these comments on this article are very detailed & informative. Frankly, I don’t trust the “cheerleader” mainstream media too much any more.

    • Durai Aemakutti

      You are neither a BJP-ian nor a Congress-ian, there are too many questions that need answers. Why Mr.Modi is very much particular about the Rafale, the company which soon would be out of world-map of heavy armaments ? Why the heavy-Armour quite inconclusively not conducive to be in the Indian armoury
      for combat ? F-16s are most crucial in a war weaponry like Israel which possesses the largest number after the US. And hence, why not F-16 ? Israel had the answer which the Askanazi Jews never ever revealed to Mr.Modi on his recent visit. And indeed what you, the gentleman has inked with the quilt is completely an abracadabra, to defend …..?

    • Colder regions of Himalayas? This is nuts. Aeroplanes fly at different altitude. The higher you the colder it gets. Your entire rejoinder is silly and infantile. You refute nothing. It’s just gobbledygook

      • Be_A_Voter_Not_A_Bhakt

        I believe IAF had some 600 odd parameters against which these competing aircraft were evaluated. (These may have included some about desert conditions, or our typical operational scenarios, e.g. low altitude flying over himalayan terrain, maybe?)

        BUT, We are still buying the SAME aircraft model, so this argument that we are paying more because of some XYZ change in the airframe is silly.

        Question is, Do the weaponry and avionics upgrades, justify the inflated cost? I think some other comments explain this very well, and the answer looks like a NO.

    • Do you know which one is better Su30 MKI or Rafael? Do you know what is the cost of one indigenous Built Su30? If you can give the correct answer then everything will be crystal clear

      • Sukhoi’s are cheaper (~$50 million per Unit), and have some pros and cons as compared to Rafale.

        However, they were not shortlisted by the IAF on the 640 technical parameters for the MMRCA.

        Finally, any suspicious escalation in the costs should be probed, and problems addressed. It shouldn’t become a justification for “whataboutery” for subsequent cost increases.

  • So why don’t you guys file a PIL.why you are dependent on some swami to come for rescue?

  • Balasubramanian H. Iyer

    Do you think Congress n Opposition would be sitting quiet if they even whiff a scam n that too of such magnitude, if we have to believe you. This is just gossip mongering and loaded with political vested interest. You people have nothing to write about other than bash Modiji, who is trying to set things right for India. You people are talking out of guilt conscience because you slept n took shit for 50 years of MIS governance. Now you feel like being slapped out of your slumber n trying to confuse people by quoting numbers. If UPA had got the best deal then, when they were in power, why did they not conclude the deal or fast tracked the deal. Also our check systems are so strong that no one even a PM cannot close a deal without following the protocol. You yourself have made a statement that parrikar, jaitley n senior leaders are not happy with the deal. Come on talk sense n doling out crap. You as a citizen have every right to file a PIL if you feel it’s a crap deal. Why don’t you do so without wasting time………are you guys for real…..

    • Do you think if congress was corrupt, Modi would spare them? Wouldn’t all corrupt congressies be behind the bar by now?

      Mr you’re presented with proofs of an ongoing rafale scam. Will you use your own brain or congress’s?

      It’s your choice if you want to believe congress is not-corrupt. Proof that rafale planes are being purchased at 3-4 times the actual prices is a SCAM. Your choice to ignore it.

  • This authou has been paid by Lockheed or Boeing to stop the deal period.

    • Author has exposed an ongoing scam with proofs.

      You should provide proof of your claim.

      If your claim is valid, I accuse you of being Modi’s son without marriage. My claim is valid too.

      And if Lockheed or Boing have paid to expose this scam, I’m thankful to them.

      • reading this comment made my day…. alas bhaktas are soulless brainless creatures… in their dumb founded beliefs feku cannot do anything wrong

  • India will suffer till the time u idiots are their on our soil. if someone is doing good to build a strong nation, you fools are always crying. India has a history of failure since independence in congress governance. that never bothered you. you people are crying of scams. this requirement was needed in 2001, but took a decade to decide. now if someone is doing on a fast track, you fools are blaming.

    • India is already suffering you.

      Modi is looting India, The proof is in front of your eyes, and instead of giving any real rebuttal, all you do is abuse. Exactly like Feku.

      Rafale Scam is a reality. Proofs are in front of your eyes.

      Keep lying and fooling nation for Modi.

      2019 is nearing, and India will respond to your lies.

      • Can modi bhakt will justify why Ambani are involved if you dont rely Hal how can you rely ambanis.are you blind you can not see why petrol and diesel are kept out of Gst.. No doubt Modi dont have son or daughter. But he has stronge will to remain in chair by hook or crook. I am not any political person nor hindu or muslim .i am purely an indian and believe in Humanity only. person working day and night giving 30% income tax 5to 28% gst more than 50% taxes on ptrole& diesel. Just for nothing govt money is sifoned to ambani and adani. Only to remain in chair of pm.

    • In 2001, NDA Govt was in power, headed by AB Vajpayee. UPA came to power in 2004. The proposal was passed and bidding was initiated in 2007 and awarded in 2012. Although this might be late by corporate and business standards and people can debate on that, my point is that during 3-4 years after demands were placed by the IAF, the NDA Govt. did not do anything (or preparation were being done for the proposal to be passed) too. The article also smells foul about the various developments and demands of white paper seems just as no corruption is being claimed. Why a company which won the bid broke every possible clause after winning? Does it have anything to do with Ambani brothers partnering with to delay and wait for their “wazeer”? Why India (PM) did not sue or penalize the company that broke contract clause after winning the deal. The brazen behavior of breaking contract’s terms and conditions with impunity by the company after Ambani brothers’ partnerships indicate towards the resultant unpunished scrapping of the deal and renegotiations by the Indian Govt. Is PM answerable… at least in the form of white paper? That is what is being asked in this article as I understand.

  • Ashutosh Rameshchandra Patel

    V.Good Article

  • Though links look like biased towards “Anti Modi” and I refrain from posting on such links.

    But the way, article is referenced and indexed, seems explicit and apparently transparent.

    This may be Second Live Scam to the Independent India after Vyapam.

  • Yogesh Kalsaria

    If u are so much interested in helping india pls put some lights on UPA SCAMS as well, i think in 60 years of rule there are definatley more scams then Raffale which would have involved largers sums of money that u just showed in this stupid article, pls put a PIL for those as well, i think people would like to know the case in details as the one u descried above, and pla dont fudge numbers to make it smaller like u did here to make it big,. Give excat details so peopel dont have to give correct figures in your comments part.

    • Do you have no shame, Sir?

      If you’re asking me to expose congress’s 60 years of scams, what is Modi supposed to do? Fill Ambani’s coffers by looting India? Change suits and HRD ministers?

      Why the heck Indians can’t focus upon the present? These same people will ask someone to probe Modi’s scams after 60 years, but won’t STOP RAFALE SCAM!

      And this dumbo, like all bhakts, claims numbers have been fudged here. Abe proof Modi dega tere claim ka?

      • Mitesh Patel, why were you quiet during Cong scams ? There were scams after scams coming out one after another during Cong rule. Amount running in crores of crores rupees, why you did not bother than?

        • Nope.

          I am the one who defeated Congress, with others like me.
          But Modi is protecting Scamster Congis.
          2.5 years gone, not a single scamster behind the bars.

          Your choice to defend Modi’s scam.
          Facts are in front of your eyes.

          I’m from Gujarat. I know. Modi is more corrupt than entire congress put together.
          If you’re up for it, you can come to Gujarat and we’ll shoot video of Modi’s development.

  • Nachiket patkar

    It is very enthusiastic and motivated article ,coming to the big no at technology transfer u might like to read this article-https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.financialexpress.com/india-news/rafael-fighter-jet-deal-to-create-thousands-of-jobs-india-inc-to-get-3-bn-euros-worth-biz/412366/lite/
    The offset clause will also benefit other companies mentioned in article not of ambani and Mukesh has nothing to do with it

    • Did you even read the article?

      THE OFFSET CLAUSE WAS PRESENT IN ORIGINAL DEAL AS WELL.

      Question is, why the hell did Modi scrap original deal of 126 jets + technology transfer (US$ 10.2 Bn) and made it 36 jets (US$ 8.74 Bn) ?

      FYI, The original deal was slightly bigger, so 50% offset would be even more beneficial to India’s economy according to Original Deal.

      And this is proved beyond doubt that everything in this Rafale deal is for Ambanis. Mukesh is dassault’s partner who will eat the main profit, Anil is Dassault’s partner who will eat 50% offset. Of course, there will be small crumbs for others too.

      Modi’s best weapon against India is copy-paste ninjas such as above who don’t even read the article to see that their lies have been busted even before their lies are posted here.

    • saafbaat editor

      No doubt, production of these spare parts for the 36 Rafale jets in India will create jobs, and bring benefits.

      Imagine, how much more benefit the production of 108 would have brought.

      Offset clause had been a part of the original deal too.

  • Just tell me what is the percentage or Kejriwal’s 526 cr Abuse Accuse n Propaganda budget has been donated to the writer and the website? Or u guys attended Rahul’s Khaat Sabha n got 02 Khaats each?

    Sad to see such low level of paid journalism – Just pathetic to see how Hate Modi campaign has driven to manufacture venomous lies and post on website. The biggest LOW of this article is that the writer already knew that he is writing some crap and he tried to create a defence for him referring the people questioning the sanctity of the pool of lies as “bhakts”. How low life you can get?

    No counter argument to your rubbish claims. One one thing – Get well soon – from Hate attack …

    • You’re proving author’s point.

      There’s no way to defend Modi’s scam, so you discredit Author without countering the facts.

      Dumb actually.
      This technique of discrediting author instead of facts doesn’t work anymore, Bhakt.
      Counter the facts or keep crying while people expose Feku.

      And Hate?
      Author is mocking Stupidity of Modi and his Bhakts, He’s Laughing at you, not hating anyone.

      Not interested in Stopping Rafale Deal?
      STFU please.

      • Mitesh Patel you were suppose to get kickbacks in 126 Rafale deal which got scrapped, were you in hibernation when Cong was doing scams after scams. You seem to be so desperate, Cong and its supporters know it’s there last chance to get in power or else it will be a long wait. It takes time to uproot an old tree, Modiji will take time but justice will prevail.

        • Prove your claim dear Bhakt.

          I am the one who defeated congress.
          And Modi is protecting the congress now.

          Not a single conviction on the scams of congress you’re talking about.

          That’s why I’ll defeat Congi stooge Modi too.

          The article proves that Feku is corrupt to the core.
          You can’t prove him innocent by saying that I was getting the kickbacks from original deal.

          That’s as dumb as a bhakt can be.

          Fact remains, Feku is Corrupt.
          You defend a black and white scam.
          Jets worth 81 Mn USD are raised to 243 Mn USD for Ambani, Adani’s profit, and you defend this scam.
          You are corrupt too.

          • Dear author If you have the transcript of the original and new deal please share. Without access to them you are believing here say. And I don’t want to create a jumla like you.

          • I’ve also searched about the details of original deal.

            It’s not hearsay, though. Old and new costs of the jets are not secret. he references of the Old deal are of the time when Modi wasn’t even PM Candidate and references of the new deal are current reports by Media.

            I think If not the author, someone from 126 Crore Indians should get this details through RTI.
            Especially those, who are writing paragraphs over paragraphs defending this deal based on stories made-up in their mind should get details and prove the article wrong.

            There are enough references, and google search provides many more, including references in non-indian defence journals that suggest the calculations in the article are correct.

  • Sandesh Shivashankara

    When the RFP was floated initially, the vendor (Dassault) had the liberty to chose an Indian partner of its choice based on the prospective partner’s capability in terms of investments. After careful consideration, Dassault chose Reliance. There are some 16 to 23 (not sure about the exact number) suppliers for Rafale like Eaton, Safron, Thales etc., who in turn have been linked to Indian companies like L&T, TATA group, Godrej Group, Mahindra Group, Dynamatic Technologies Ltd. etc., who have made significant contribution to aerospace industry & make in India and over the decades have invested huge amounts of money to put Indian aerospace on the global map. I wouldn’t say this is a similar example, but would like to mention about the Toyota-Kirloskar partnership where in Toyota’s suppliers and subsidiaries partnered with Kirloskar’s suppliers and subsidiaries.

    HAL was adamant that everything has to happen through them, but given their not so good track record, Dassault was skeptical in partnering with an organization controlled by the customer (IAF/GOI) and deliver the promised number of aircrafts within the stipulated time. Dassault wanted a stable investor minus the bureaucratic hurdles and Reliance emerged as their choice. It is not that all the 30K offset clause is being consumed by Reliance, there are reputed companies which I have mentioned in previous paragraph.

    Meticulous identification, scrutiny and subsequent finalization of all the Indian partners happened during the UPA regime, NDA/BJP was nowhere on the radar and even chances of NDA coming to power was also a big question mark. It is ridiculous and lack of maturity of the author to say “A K Antony – considered a rare honest politician in BJPCon flock (then Defence Minister of UPA) stopped serious negotiations, delaying the deal.”

    My question is why would an honest defense minister worth his salt will delay the deal of procuring fighter planes which is of paramount importance for the security of the sovereign Nation?
    secondly, even if he believed in delaying the matter for 2 years and UPA 3 came to power, what did he achieve in delaying? on the other hand, if NDA/BJP came to power, don’t you think he had the basic common sense that the deal would go straight to the hands of the opposition? you mean to say BJP influenced Dassault to partner with Reliance during UPA 1 & UPA 2? even if they had attempted, do you think Dassault or any company for that matter will listen to BJP when the decision maker is Congress/UPA? don’t you think it is bit of comedy?

    Personally, I am not a great fan of Reliance, but I have seen how they enter into a new field and succeed with zeal, enthusiasm, focus, determination and team work which is lacking to a great extent in our PSUs including HAL. Moreover, we are not talking about only Reliance here. Dassault has also identified companies like L&T, TATA, Godrej too. I am happy that these companies will take giant steps ahead in the aerospace world creating infrastructure at par with leading nations and create lot of jobs to talented and deserving Indians and also attract aerospace customers from all over the world.

    Under UPA or under NDA, Dassault has promptly stayed away from not so capable HAL and insisted on the liberty to chose its partners to avoid delays. It’s their choice under the RFP terms and conditions and they are utilizing it and didn’t succumb to the lobby of HAL through UPA & NDA. That’s it.

    • Anshul Bhargava

      I don’t see where do you prove there’s no scam?

      Ambani is as honest as Dassault? OK.
      A K Antony is not honest? OK.
      Many companies will eat the cake? OK.

      But where do you prove that buying jets worth 81 Mn USD at 243 Mn USD is not a scam?

      As the article says, Modi’s dirty tricks department needs people with grey matter.

  • Cost of Rafale deal had ballooned to 28-30 Billion Euros in Jan-2014. Works out to about 234.3 million Euros overall per aircraft

    ( http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-dna-exclusive-100-price-escalation-on-rafale-fighter-aircraft-to-rs-175-lakh-crore-likely-to-dent-iaf-s-strike-capability-1957107 )

    Current deal of Euro 7.87-billion for 36 Rafales comes to 218.6 million Euros per Aircraft!

    Where’s the scam?

    • saafbaat editor

      Speaking to Doordarshan on April 13, 2015, Parrikar had revealed Rafale’s bid for 126 fighters, stating: ‘When you talk of 126 (Rafale) aircraft, it becomes a purchase of about Rs 90,000 crore’ — Rs 715 crore per fighter after adding all costs.

      So, looks like DNA’s “exclusive” report was so exclusive that even our Defence Minister was not aware of it!

  • It does not seem anything true . Just trying to defame the govt . If true file pil and go to court with evidence and give to pappu as well atleast he will get something to speak in public and media. In social media putting these type is the way of defaming anyone.

    • saafbaat editor

      Re: “In social media putting these type is the way of defaming anyone.”.

      Partly agree, Not only in Social media, but also on mainstream media, we have lot of speculative paid propaganda stories these days, that often just quote “unnamed sources” and make big claims.

      All our articles provide references to each of the claims being made.

      If you think any of the claim is false, please raise it, and let others comment on it.

  • Before i reply to this post , this is my source of information . http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/MMRCA-deal-India-to-scrap-20-billion-mega-project-for-126-Rafale-fighter-jets/articleshow/46910444.cms

    Now let me first tell this saafbaat team that Original MMRCA deal was scrapped in 2015 . As cost was reached at around 20bn $. I am not sure either you guys deliberately not mentioned it or it was the honest mistake .

    Secondly you mentioned that there is no Technology transfer . Than question arise if there is no Tech transfer than why should they form JV with Reliance . Reliance will manufacture parts for these fighter planes at there Nagpur facility which will be used in future by govt as spare part supplier . So your claim that no technology transfer is taking place is found baseless.

    Now your major issue is Reliance entering JV with Dassault .Dassault was reluctant to enter in JV with HAL as that might delay the project as HAL govt run entity so things not move fast with govt organisation than with private players. You also forget that govt also precuring other defense equipment from another private players like trucks from TATAs and Ashok Leylands. Even L&T played important part in manufacturing Indias first Nuclear power submarine . All these above mentioned private companies have JV with other countries .
    Your article rotates around Reliance entering JV with Dassault because of Modi Haters pre assumption that reliance being closer to BJP .

    • saafbaat editor

      1. The article already mentions that the original deal was scrapped. The article compares the original deal with the final one for costs. Defence minister Parrikar’s own statement in Apr 2015 suggests the cost had only escalated to Rs 715 Cr per plane including everything.

      2. Also, Tech Transfer to Reliance isn’t same as Tech Transfer to India. Is Indian taxpayer paying so that Reliance gets technology?

      3. Yes, there are private sector companies of India already supplying to Indian Army or Air force. Just as the public sector Bharat Dynamics Limited is still a partner with the Thales group to supply components in the current deal. The main issue is how the original deal, giving us full technology transfer to enable publicly owned HAL, (which has been in the business since 1940), was subverted to the benefit of the Reliance group, whose have already held the nation to ransom with their behaviour on Gas Pricing on KG basin. Now we’re purchasing jets worth USD 81 Mn (or customised jets worth USD 104 Mn as per Parrikar) at USD 243 Mn with partial tech-transfer to cronies. Which is the scam, precisely.

      • From a day Deal was announced ( Not signed ) Dassault was not happy with facilities of HAL . HAL being Govt organisation it is vert difficult for them to as fast pace as private players (Plus red tapism and beurocracy) . And going with you calculation of deal amount let me tell you that deal was not signed in 2012 it was just announced . Rupee depreciated almost 25% from Jan 2012 till May 2014 . The time Modi became PM cost of Deal was increased from 10.8bn $ to more than 20bn $ . Here is the link and this link is from secular News group which bhakts called as anti national (NDTV )
        http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/air-force-chief-says-22-billion-french-fighter-rafale-jet-deal-almost-done-658485

        In this report ACM said deal is now of 22bn$ . Being ACM he definately know more than all the media channels including you and me . So i consider your calculation is totally false or biased or might your research is not upto the mark .

        You also forgot to mention that last deal was about manufacturing 108 planes in India with Tech transfer but current deal is about setting up Manufacturing unit in India form which Dassault will export rafalles to other countries plus manufacturing of their other advance planes in India . I dont understand how can you guys not mentioned this . This might be again deliberate attempt or honest mistake . Regarding KG basin they are already fined by BJP not congress . If you are talking about these Industrial groups everybody is involved in some thing or another . Even TATA was involved in 2G scam . Dassault had a choice and they formed venture with Reliance . Like other Arm suppliers formed JVs with other Indian MNCs .

        • saafbaat editor

          1. Re: Cost escalation, many estimates of escalated costs are floating on the internet. These vary anywhere between 12-28 Bn. However, Defence minister Parrikar’s statement to Doordarshan in Apr 2015 suggests the cost had only escalated to 90,000 Cr Rs. (~13.2 Bn Eur as per the exchange rates back then).

          Yes, Rupee depreciated, and that makes the deal look even WORSE in Rupee terms, but as the article mentions, that is why we have compared in Dollars.

          2. Air Chief Marshal had spoken to HT, and was actually asking for proceeding with the old deal, as IAF cannot afford any more delays. Various headlines ranging from 22Bn to 25Bn were added to this by agencies, and repeated by many media houses without any due diligence (Rare these days!) although I could not find ACM himself talking about the cost. In his interview to HT, Raha had said, “It will not be appropriate to make any changes in the process.” We urge you to find and confirm this for yourself. Headlines in media sometimes are deliberately made sensational, and have no justification from the content.

          3. Err.. Dassault setting up a unit in India? To manufacture full planes? Although we do not see how this is any better for us than ToT to HAL, do tell us more.

          4. KG Basin dispute arbitration has been going on for some time now. Irrespective of which regime started process, and under which regime the final judgement came out, the crucial point I was trying to make earlier was, Reliance group, as a company, has a suspicious past.

          • Well i did’nt find any link of Parrikar saying this , but all in all you have to accept your per unit calculation is wrong .
            Now we don’t know the inside story how they Dassault decided on Reliance over other Players .
            Regarding their JV with Relaince you can read about it in this article which says that this facility might be use to fulfill global demands plus having one company with exposure to defense field will be good advantage for India .
            In order to grow as weapon manufacturer country India need private companies to take part in this where govt can have full control over the Company dealings as all defense manufacturers need to take permission from their respective govts about new contracts .
            Do you have any other company in mind which might have fulfilled the requirement but not have suspicious past , do inform me i will love to circulate the article if you find any ( Even facebook , microsoft ,google , apple have suspicious past ).
            You might not like Modi or his supporters (Bhakts) but writing this article with deliberate wrong information (proved ) you are not any good for future . Modi will do mistake may be tomorrow or next year till than you guys need wait and dont loose your credibility .

          • saafbaat editor

            1. re: Parrikar remark Check here.
            http://www.rediff.com/news/column/four-reasons-why-rafale-could-ruin-modi-and-parrikars-party/20160923.htm

            2. “Regarding their JV with Relaince you can read about it in this article which says that this facility might be use to fulfill global demands plus having one company with exposure to defense field will be good advantage for India .”

            Err.. Obviously, they will say its good for India. Get the media owned by them (was 60% of major Indian media houses earlier, not sure how much now) to repeat the same.

            They wouldn’t say “We are cronies of Modi, we will just bankroll his next election campaign, and get the media we own to sing praises, destroy his opposition, as long as he gives us a free hand in defence deals?”

            3. The central point is not about preventing private sector from doing anything.

            In this case, the original deal was cheaper per unit, gave us Transfer of Technology (ToT) to HAL. ToT was one of the most important consideration when choosing Dassault over its rivals in the first place! The manner in which it has been shelved, to give contracts to Ambani, whereas we end up paying more per plane, is THE issue. HAL is not perfect. But, whatever the excuses being given for sidelining HAL might be, it has been in business since 1940, and built more planes than any Ambani owned company has. (p.s. even Adani has a curious JV done recently with the Israeli firm selling the HMDS at a very inflated price!).

            If we start supporting this crony capitalism under any pretext, we would end up being an oligarchy like Russia.

            Also, there is no clarity over how the government intends to fulfil the IAF need of 120-200 MMRCA planes? Original deal had the solution, with this deal, we are picking up a quarter of our needs at a much higher per unit price! We don’t know yet how much the full expense for the 120 planes is going to be.

          • If you say that Media is owned by ambanis than it is pretty sure that remaining ones are owned by Reliance rivals and most of other manufacturers are jealous of not winning that deal . They will make sure that deal is not that smooth. I already proved that your calculations are wrong. You should congress why deal was delayed for so Long which resulted in price rise and why govt manufacturing are not efficient . Why Govt buying trucks and other defense from private players but not manufacturing them . Why tejas required 30 yrs to induct in India army .
            Do you think French will work in Indian manufacturing units ? How come this is not Tech transfer . We are still importing spate parts from Russia which result in long wait repair wait for mig .

          • saafbaat editor

            1. Sure, we just need to find any rival who has no fear of ED hounding him, or govt cutting him off, perhaps has given up on pursuit of material wealth and increasing his shareholder’s wealth suddenly. 🙂

            The last time a few businessmen in India took a principled stand against Mr Modi was in 2002, and they were Mr Bajaj and Mr Godrej. Read Vinod Jose’s detailed article on Mr Modi to find out what happened to them.

            2. I don’t see how you have proven anything, Even going by Parrikar’s version of increased costs, the per unit cost is not significantly different from what our author has used, based on the original deal, as the author has clearly said. The per unit cost of the revised deal will still be more than 2x. We still get only 36 out of the required 126-200, and we still do not get any ToT or indigenous capability.

            You have started shooting into many directions, none of which are of much relevance to the deal. LCA delays have got nothing to do with this deal. btw, it took nearly 20 years for Rafale to be inducted into the French Air force too, from the time it was first envisaged, although the French had far more experience in developing fighter jets. Dassault could have partnered with HAL as they do for Mirage 2000, or with Bharat Dynamics Ltd, or they would with these Ambani companies.

          • You are sticking to point that media is sold out but want us to believe you that you are among the honest . Why media houses should not be scrutinized? You are sticking to your calculations u am sticking to it that I proved you wrong . Not few business man but whole nation stood against Bjp after 2002 and voted them out . Supreme court cleared modi of all charges that too in congress regime ? Name any party i will give you details of their communal past . India chooses best among worst as PM this time . If Dassault is not happy with HAL facilities than govt can’t do anything . They signed the deal under Make in India campaign. U never answered any questions but trying to dodge them with your anger against Ambanis but still quite against other companies involved in scams ( I don’t understand why ) MMRCA scrapped so do compulsion to enter in JV with HAL . That was also one reason for delay.

          • saafbaat editor

            “Supreme court cleared modi of all charges that too in congress regime ?”

            There has been no case against Modi in SC yet, to the question of SC clearing Modi of all charges does not arise.

            Congress could not do much, as Modi exploited the provisions of the commissions of inquiry act, by modifying the terms of reference of the Nanavati commission soon after UPA win, and ensuring Nanavati commission submitted its final report only after UPA was out of power.

          • I don’t know how many tine I have to prove you wrong .
            http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2013/12/26/court-clears-narendra-modi-in-riots-case/

            I said before don’t loose your credibility

          • saafbaat editor

            LoL.. yes, I am aware of the twisted headlines, but what’s the actual story? (I couldn’t access the WSJ blog article, behind paywall)

            Was there an actual case against Mr Modi in the SC? Go find more. You will see how propaganda works – “SC gives clean chit to Modi” is a factually incorrect statement, but repeat a lie 1000 times… and you know what happens.

            I would recommend our own article https://www.saafbaat.com/wp/gujarat-genocide/sit which explains it very well, and also gives you good references to look at.

            In it, you will also find the only direct observations that SC made in any judgement about Modi’s Gujarat Govt with respect to 2002 killings – in Bilkis Bano and Best Bakery cases.

          • Well i dont see any reason of believing you because i proved you wrong in my each and every comment . Here again i am providing a link which will prove you wrong and this link is from so called secular (Lordship of all anti bhakts news viewers) NDTV .
            http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/no-evidence-against-narendra-modi-says-supreme-court-appointed-team-10-facts-475972

            My friend u are sharing news reports from rediff mail but you forgot that rediff mail is owned by person(Ajit Balakrishnan) who was appointed at various important positions by congress regime . Sorry guys but your research might influence those guys who never verify facts before sharing but not somebody who cross check info available or presented .

          • saafbaat editor

            Don’t believe me, try to find yourself, look for the SC judgement ordering Gujarat Govt to setup an SIT for Zakia Jafri petition, look for the reports on submission of the SIT closure report to the metropolitan court, etc. You will eventually understand the point. 😉

          • In 2013, a panel appointed by the Supreme Court said there was insufficient evidence to prosecute him in Gulberg Society case

            It was the third investigation to come to the same conclusion.

          • saafbaat editor

            This is the SC order asking Gujarat Govt to setup the SIT. A majority of SIT members were nominated by Gujarat Govt, and were the officers of the accused organisation (Gujarat Police) itself.

            http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/notify-sit-in-ten-days-court/article1227563.ece

          • I don’t see you proving anyone wrong, except you’re babbling irrelevant things.

            Why don’t you just show us how US$ 81 Mn Jet becomes worth US$ 243 Mn? What’s the Magic? Is it Inflation? Is it upgradation? Author gave his references, you give yours and show us US$ 81 Mn + X + Y + Z + … = US$ 243 Mn.

            Do this or you’ll be exposed. FYI, you’re yet to prove a single claim of the author wrong. Not one.

          • If you read my comments I proved author wrong again and again with verified sources other than author sources and calculations .

          • I read all your comments.
            You didn’t prove the article or author wrong.

            Author’s references and calculations have not been rebutted.
            You just go on singing the cost of Rafale Jets had escalated and there are upgradations, which is what the article says.
            The article says this is a scam because there’s not way upgradations and inflation escalate the prices 3 times. THAT IS THE SCAM.
            You haven’t justified the escalated prices by providing the detailed break-up of the upgradation costs.

            Just quoting inflated prices after Ambani partnered with Dassault proves Author’s point, not your.
            Just provide detailed break-up and prove your case. It’s that simple.
            Don’t beat around the bush.

          • Only reason author crying scam because Dassault and reliance enters in JV . But he never justified other private companies entering in defense sector . Yes price escalated but not three times . I pointed out articles which says that deals was actually for 22 bn $( I m quoting Navy chief here )Read some comments of author there he said that actual price of deal is unknown . U guys are in mis conception that deal was signed in 2012 but it was not . It was announced but never signed by previous govt . Now its better you guys clear your mind and start searching . I just searched the net and found relevant articles from 2012 to 2016 . If you guys wants to be like person who believe every thing on net without research than good luck for your future.

          • saafbaat editor

            As already pointed out to you several times, The article compared the original deal terms with the revised ones. EVEN going by the price per unit conceded by Defence minister himself in Apr 2015, the per unit price has gone up > 2x times.

            JV with Ambani (and also do not forget the Adani JV with the Israeli company providing the HMDS at a very inflated cost!) is indeed suspicious.

          • Nope.

            The author is “CORRECTLY” terming the Rafale Deal as scam as without no apparent reason the cost of Rafale Jets ballooned from US$ 81 Mn to US$ 243 Mn. US$ 81 Mn is the price quoted by Dassault itself, so quote from anyone else is irrelevant, except if you claim the Navy Chief was working for Dassault.

            Dude, you’re just making up stories.
            File an RTI.
            Get details of both the deals.
            Prove your point.
            Don’t malign AUTHOR to defend SCAMSTER FEKU.
            Feku sold land at 1 Re / Square Meter to Adani. You don’t get 1 Square Meter cloth at that price.
            Is it so hard to do? To get REAL DATA to prove your Point?
            Old deal data is Legit, because FEKU wasn’t even in Picture then.
            You can’t cry this is all a conspiracy to malign Ambani-Adani Stooge Feku.

            Don’t keep defending FEKU’s SCAM.

          • Editor, Great job with this article.? To be honest UPA or NDA does not matter. Wherever Reliance lays hands there will be loss to India, this is just going to be another KG Basin where govt will give license to Reliance to loot India left right and center. Once they entered the deal it is a hiest 🙂

        • Agree with you, for a huge project govt has to get involved a Pvt company for a more professional approach.

          Even defense companies in US, France, etc will be a private entity.
          Further I find this author biased and anti Modi maybe he has a hidden agenda.

          Overall Modi govt doing a descent job despite all odds …

  • I suspect This may be a website sponsored by either india’s vote bank politicians like congress and communists or an enemy country : AK Antony the former defence minister was deliberately made to keep our army without ammunition and let china and pakistan to increase their Military strength : Every one knows that he was worst defence minister indian has ever seen

    Today congress knows that every moment the support for Modiji is increasing and our enemy countries are impatient to see that india is going to become economic and military power and make conspiracy to remove Modiji from power :

  • You’re free to ignore the fact that Feku purchased jets worth USD 81 Mn at USD 243 Mn for Ambani, Adani’s profit. You can suspect anything.

    But you can’t deny the facts.
    Feku is corrupt to the core and is selling the country.

    Yes, I’ll remove Pakistan lover Feku from power.
    Do what you must to earn your corrupt rotten bread by defending the scam.

  • Every Indian knows how ambanis have become richest in the world and after this government (two more years )he will purchase everything including air water earth and will throw all of out of India. only ambani will live on this earth plsnet.

  • Hey just wanted to give you a quick heads up. The words in your article seem to be running off the screen in Opera.

    I’m not sure if this is a formatting issue or something to do with browser compatibility but I thought I’d post to
    let you know. The layout look great though! Hope you get the problem solved soon. Kudos

  • Today ISRO made history and launched a record 104 satellites on a single rocket from the Sriharikota spaceport in Andhra Pradesh. India has become the first country to carry 104 satellites in a single mission.

    Why am I saying this –

    This is for the DUMB commenter above who thinks HAL is in capable. And that Make in India for Rafale is not possible.

    So HAL founded in 1940 cannot – But Reliance can – eh!

    By GOD – IF modi could, ISRO would be Reliance Space RO some day !

    Modi is selling everything to Reliance – or doing so – so that they fund his next elections too.

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  • Venu Gopal Aditya

    Wonderful research but I wonder why not go to court and in press with full force…..this could be the force which could stop bjp in 2019……..Aur do u simply doubt your own research

    • saafbaat editor

      Civil society and the media need to build up more pressure on the Judiciary for this. The way the diaries’ case was dismissed by a judge with a link to an accused, and how it has not even been discussed adequately in our mainstream media, barring a few, should raise alarm.

  • If the original article had refrained from using the word ‘Bhakts’, that too dozens of times, the article would have been more objective.

  • Surendra Kapoor

    What ever stated innew is 100% fact. These facts are verifyable.If Congress was thief, BJP is biggest decoit and can sell the nation for pennies.It is shame BJP who was shouting at top of their voice of corruption have not appointed LOKPAL till today. The CBI parrot is caged and Income tax is used for political ends without evidence.

    If BJP is honest to public and have any Moral it should free caged Parrot (CBI) and appoint immediately LOKPAL.

    I am 100% sure my Indian brothers will not see BJP doing it.They will never appoint any LOKPAL nor Free CBI to do free investigation.

  • A basic question: As per the original agreement, who was going to incur manufacturing cost for building the aircraft? India or Rafale? If it is the former, then $81 million per aircraft is misleading. The $10 billion deal was for 18 aircrafts in fly away condition and tech transfer. Please clarify. One of your reference articles has Parrikar quoted as saying “He said the UPA deal for 126 Rafales was way too expensive and it would have hampered other modernisation plans of the Indian military.
    The deal would have required around Rs 1.3 lakh crore over a period of 10-11 years, he added.”

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/parrikar-to-buy-only-36-rafales-no-need-for-126/article7268264.ece

    • It would have been a part of the offset clause. Check the cost per basic unit of Rafale or any similar fighter jet from any source, it is around $70-80 million only. (Sukhoi is $50 million)

      Re: Parrikar’s comment,
      A) Had our media got a spine, Parrkiar should be questioned on why he was quoting a figure of 90,000 crores ($14 Billion) for the deal merely a month before this 31May remark of the deal costing $20 Billion.
      “peaking to Doordarshan on April 13, 2015, Parrikar had revealed Rafale’s bid for 126 fighters, stating: ‘When you talk of 126 (Rafale) aircraft, it becomes a purchase of about Rs 90,000 crore’ — Rs 715 crore per fighter after adding all costs.”

      http://www.rediff.com/news/column/four-reasons-why-rafale-could-ruin-modi-and-parrikars-party/20160923.htm

      B) EVEN going by his inflated figures, if you do basic maths, the ALL INCLUSIVE cost is 20B/126= $158 million per plane. WHY are we now paying $240 million per plane?

      C) Do you still trust Parrikar, the man for whom the Kursi of Goa CM was far more important than the Defense Ministry?

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  • know India totally Bhagwan bharose.

  • Mr Deshbakt y don’t you present your facts infront of Court and prove and prove it.
    Mr Kejiriwal also provided facts against jetally and gadakri but doesn’t prove in court..

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  • Ajai Shukla is an Indian journalist and a retired Colonel of Indian Army.[1][2][3][4] He writes articles on defense policy, production and acquisition and currently works as consulting editor with Business Standard. He earlier worked with DD News and NDTV.[5][6]

    my answer to this article the authors source

  • Sourabh SHRIVASTAVA

    I just wonder if these are all indeed true, why opposition is not doing anything? Can author of this article pass this information to opposition to take up in next parliament session. If this is true, then its really serious.

    • Sabka Malik Ek! 😉 Who has the guts to take panga against Mukeshbhai today? He controls most media houses via Network 18 group. Most parties need funding from the same cronies.

      Even in scams like Coal, 2G, politicians of several parties were involved, and it wasn’t the politicians or opposition, but some NGO’s, civil society activists, media and judiciary that forced a probe.

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  • Bogus and biased writing, The Previous Government only talked for purchase of 126 aircrafts for many years, but did nothing and weakened the Air Force and India. If they (Rafael) did not agreed to technology tranfer or production / assembly in India. They could close Rafael Deal and could purchase the Eurofighter or Gripen or MIG 29 / 31 at least.

    Only taliking big speeches not serve the purpose. Where the budeted fund gone? May be used for unproductive purpose. The earlier govt has a history to neglect the MARUT Airframe and non application of Air Force in 1962 war with China. It appears the writer biased heavily and ignoring the need of IAF on the guise of making Tejas only with Kavery Engine. Day dreaming their habit. Stop the bogus display of statistics and reasoning.

    The Author will say, if there is no Dassult, Will India go without Air Forve, He / she escaped the ordering to other bidder. Worse!!!

    • Previous government started the bidding process in 2007, had technical teams evaluate all the bids, and Dassault won it in 2012. The negotiation was going on, and India was sticking on and bargaining hard with Dassault, until Mr Modi turned the whole deal on its head.

      Has Mr Modi told us what he is buying instead to cover the shortfall? Why is it sensible to have a fleet where we have medium range fighters of 2-3 makes? And why are we paying nearly triple, and not even getting any Tech Transfer, the actual strategic goal behind this deal?

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  • this article is WRONG. The original deal was signed in 2012 when DASSAULT IN FINANCIAL DIRE STRAITS WITH NO ORDERS. BUT, Congress govt dilly-dallied and NEVER IMPLEMENTED IT.
    In the meantime, Dassault took advantage of their test results to BOOK ORDERS from Qatar, Malaysia, etc at FULL MARKET PRICES.
    When Modi govt came to power in 2015, they tried to push through the original 2012 deal, which was TIME LIMITED AND LAPSED due to NEGLIGENCE OF CONGRESS GOVT. In fact, the congress govt was wrong to ask Rafale to guarantee HAL manufacturing -they could have asked Rafale to choose their own partner whether HAL or not.
    By 2015, Rafale had NO OBLIGATION to honor the 2012 quotations, which had LAPSED. So, Rafale pushed its FULL MARKET PRICE ,Take it or leave it.
    So the Modi govt had no choice other than either take the full market price rafale quoted, or let it go. But since Rafale was the best choice, they took a limited number of planes.
    THE ENTIRE FAULT IS THAT OF CONGRESS GOVT FOR INCOMPETENCE AND INACTION TILL 2014, and the author of this article is glossing over this very important reality.

    • A. Basically, Even you are suggesting Modi govt was forced to do a BAD deal, due to Congress?! In that case, Why do this deal at all? Call Dassault’s bluff, threaten to walk off, and force them to behave!

      B. Why should the taxpayer pay for transfer of technology to some other partner such as Mr Ambani? Asking guarantee for HAL assembled planes was not anything unusual, just hard bargaining. HAL has experience of dealing with Dassault built planes in the past, such as Mirage. Ambani has zero track record on this.

      C. Why don’t you find the actual costs of each plane (F16, F22, Sukhoi, Eurofighter, Rafale) and post it here? Also try to find how much the HMDS costs are, and how much we are now paying, and post it here.

      Also, What is the point of buying just 36 Rafales, IAF needs 200 such planes, do we want them to be using 4 different suppliers? Imagine the logistical nightmare in training pilots and maintenance staff, spare parts and everything!

      • A. Maybe you could call it a FINANCIALLY “bad deal” RELATIVE TO 2012. But not a bad deal relative to Qatar or Malaysia. And it doesn’t take away the fact that it is TECHNICALLY still the best deal – the Rafale is far superior to F-16/Sukhoi/Eurofighter/etc with the exception of perhaps the F-35 or F-22 (both of which appear priced higher or about the same as Rafale). Bottomline, if you need the best and the vendor is no longer dependent on your order to survive, its not surprising the vendor will prefer to protect his brand price rather than go back into a low bid deal which he did out of desperation in 2012. You have to remember that the IAF chose rafale as the best technical choice.

        B. I don’t agree at all. You can’t ask somebody to guarantee something produced by another party that is forced upon him. So long as the contract/price negotiated in 2012 was adhered to, if Rafale chose ambani or whoever, it doesn’t matter. Its rafale who makes the choice. Nor can you compare past deals like Mirage etc which were assembly jobs NOT GUARANTEED by dassault. So asking Dassault to guarantee was totally non workable unless the choice was completely theirs who/how to partner with. In fact, even if ambani was selected by rafale, it would have benefited a very wide manufacturing industry in india as sources/part suppliers/eventually. You cant blame rafale for being wary of HAL while a pvt sector partner would have been more responsive and easier to work with.

        C. You could look up the internet “X price” where X is these planes and it gives you a rough estimate from different aerospace journals, Jane’s defence, etc. The fact is rafale sticker price is quite expensive -around $180m -but that’s because its capability is not far from the F-35 or F-22. The F-22 is around $250m per piece and the U.S doesnt allow its export/sale to any other country. F-16 is not comparable in what was sought in the MMRCA although its also a very good choice to have ADDITIONALLY -besides its only a few million per plane, it could replace the many migs IAF has. The Sukhoi is also not in the same class as the Rafale. In fact the french air force has no plans to replace their rafale with the eurofighter, etc because the rafale is far more capable.

        I would tend to agree that 36 planes a small number that doesn’t really work out very well in the overall picture but then again 36 planes are still a very useful deterrent -though one can have different opinions on the efficacy of this choice that is a different debate.

        • A. Eurofighter was also shortlisted by IAF panel, but was primarily dropped for being more expensive (100m/plane vs 80m/plane), and IAF’s familiarity & experience with Dassault platform (Mirage). 700+ Eurofighters are used by air forces of half a dozen nations. At the time of the deal, no one apart from France was using Rafale.

          If Nigeria pays $500M for this due to corruption, should we pay that too?

          btw, Malaysia was looking to pay only $2 Bn for 18 jets (still 1/4th of what we are paying for 36), and they have shelved the deal for now.

          B. Tech transfer was the key reason for selecting Rafale. If no tech transfer was acceptable, we could have gone with F22 or F35. You are yourself accepting that Dassault behaviour was unfavourable to us, The renegotiated deal is not in our interest, would have been far better to threaten to walk off. You cannot have Dassault dictating that they will only partner with Bajaj Auto, or Hero Cycles to make planes in India. The re-investment clause is something we specify in the deal.

          Spare parts for 36 aircraft is good for “wide manufacturing industry”, but full manufacture of 108 planes would not have been?

          C. F35 superceded F22, and is used by many countries (Japan, several Nato countries, Israel). Depending on the variant (A,B or C) the F35 cost is between $90m-$120m.

          36 planes, when the reiquirement was for around 200, with no idea how we are going to fill in the gaps, and you are wasting time here rather than asking these questions from the government.

          • you are totally wrong and presumptuous on all counts. You know nothing about to say the IAF evaluated the eurofighter as being equivalent to the rafale. Have you seen the test numbers? The eurofighter doesn’t compare to the rafale.
            In fact all the published figures show otherwise -read jane’s defence journal. The rafale is vastly superior.
            You are also totally ignorant about the F-35, which is not comparable to the F-22 in air superiority roles. Even in BVR role, it is bested by the F-22.
            Again, all you have to do is read Jane’s defence journal.
            Anyway I hope you realize your article is generally poor quality political point scoring without any technical substance.

          • saafbaat editor

            It wasn’t our Authors, or myself, but the team of IAF experts who shortlisted Eurofighter and Rafale for the final round.

            This team of experts would have not only read Jane’s defence journal, but also examined the aircraft themselves under various conditions.

            Re: F35 vs F22, I was merely commenting that even F35 costs much lower, presumably you would know how much a full spec top of the range F22 cost to USAF, and compare it to the $240 M per plane we are paying for Rafale now.

  • REAL SCAM is yet To come

    I think this article has correctly captured the fact that Rafale deal renegotiation is a scam to help the crony friends, but that is the half part of the story.

    There are still the remainder 160+ Aircraft needed for IAF. The real scam lies there, it will happen there.

    Consider this:
    The scam in making with sequence of events — (Military Spending was the way America created the massive inequality and its deep state also called as Military Industrial Complex)
    India with growing economy goes the military spending way —
    India’s MIG kind of Jet need is 200 Planes – now who will not want to bag this purchase offer?? (Of which atleast 108 were to be made by public sector org HAL but now – one contract has been given to Ambani, one is bidding and in partnership with Adani and another one is bidding and in partnership with Tatas)
    2011 Rafael Deal Signed – 126 Jets – 11 Billion Approx
    2011 – US Ambassador to India Tim Roemer Resigns (Since he could not get Congress to sign the deal with US companies) – Hindu Reports
    2011 – US Ambassador goes back to US says wants to join family back in US and also joins APCO – we know who APCO is..
    – About Tim Roemer – was one of the commissioner in 9/11 Investigation
    – About APCO – Calls themselves as consultant – but are lobbyist to facilitate market entry
    2014 – BJP Wins
    2015 – BJP Reduces the Rafael deal from 126 Jets to 36 Jets – Cost reduced from 11 billion approx to 8 billion (3 billion reduced out of 11 for 90 jets — someone forgot to learn ratio and proportion in math class)
    2016 – India comes within US strategic grip – India agrees to give space to US aircraft if needed in future …India now shows its allignment with US a big mistake –
    2017 – BJP changes the configuration to allow US companies to qualify – finally Tim Roemer can take a sigh of relief his work at APCO did it …
    2017 – BJP now in attempt to agree a deal of another 200 Jets at 12-15 billion approx price
    2017 – Adani partners with Swedish Company that now qualifies under the new configuration requirement – if the deal goes through
    (Swedes and US may have investment agreements)
    2017 – Boieng and Lockheed Martin also bidding for contract…both these companies did not qualify in 2011 when Rafael deal was struck…but they do…—thanks to change in configuration,
    2017 – Lockheed partners with Tata on June 2017 – (No Wonder Tata made a claim recently Modi is what India needs on Sept 2017)
    The stories above can be found in the comments section in the same order as written here – it may help to read them in the same order
    And we wonder Geopolitics is nothing to be taken seriously —
    Geopolitics is a tool working and now being used to advance the framework of Capitalism, Neoliberalism – and further uses Populism or Terrorism or Nationalism or Corruption to enter the country and then leaves it with inequality and other disastrous policies…

  • A very informative article.

    All right thinking Indians should condemn such selfish motives. The holier than thou attitude of the present Government should be exposed.

    We should take this issue to the streets.

  • This write up is convincing . It seems , Ambanis & Adanis can twist this Government or the PM , to the extent, they want . In UPA time , corruptions did take place but the PM,then, , though little weak in comparison, politically , was not involved directly . I fear, we may have missed few issues, we will not be able to know about many deals and the election is still around 18 months , away . And will the Bhakts , realize ?

  • This write up is convincing . It seems , Ambanis & Adanis can twist this Government or the PM , to the extent, they want . In UPA time , corruptions did take place but the PM,then, , though little weak in comparison, politically , was not involved directly . I fear, we may have missed few issues, we will not be able to know about many deals and the election is still around 18 months , away . And will the Bhakts , realize ?
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  • BIMANCHANDRA ROY

    Modi has became the brand synonymous with corruption. The money he has taken during his 2014 election campaign from Ambani and Adani needs to be repaid here the question of Indian defense takes backbench. It hardly matters whether India in shortage of Aircraft or got defeated due to lack of ammunition etc. Modi’s only and only purpose to make Ambani and Adani richer. If India needs to be Balkanized for Ambani-Adani’s profit he will broke India without second thought. that is what Ex- President Pranab Mukherjee forecast.

  • BIMANCHANDRA ROY

    N.B:- Bhakts are idiots most of them are from BJP IT CELL and few of them are ISI agents too. so, do not waste time ignore them as street dogs.

  • A good article published with very good information and evidences. Many people are saying file an PIL in court, what has happened to the earlier PIL published against the UPA Scams , Is there anybody punished (or) the government revived any corruption money, practically nothing happened expect the information which mainstream media has taken to the people helped BJP to come to power and start their loot.

    Personally i feel this type of evidences should be directly shown to the common public as most of them not using any social media but make their votes based on the main stream media data.

    As a common man paying 30 % of my hard earned income to the government as income tax and paying tax for each and everything i buy, thinking that my country will become a nice place for everyone to live but this politicians loot us for their personal need and fame.

  • 1. I have been working with TATAs. I happened to attend Bangalore Air Shows where I saw Rafale getting demonstrated.They were impressive of all the competeTERS nces. Therefore choice of Rafael seems to be Justified like Bofors.

    2.The deal of UPA regime went in to Jeopardy on account of selection of Indian partner. Why TATAs were not considered ? TATAs would have made JV with HAL and executed the project.They are the most experienced in Aerospace having already some running units while reliance is a fresh player.

    3. In such dealings why not we invite bids from Indian partners and decide on competitive basis.Why do we project only Reliance selectively ?

    • Exactly my thoughts!

      Even if we agree for a minute that, for some reason, it was better to have a private partner for Rafale, than the much experienced HAL.

      Why not do a partial disinvestment in HAL?

      How did Govt choose this partner? was there any competitive bidding for this?

      There are companies such as Tata, L&T etc with far greater experience in precision engineering, how does Reliance become the best partner?

    • Hello Nilesh

      “2. The deal of UPA regime went in to Jeopardy on account of selection of Indian partner. Why TATAs were not considered ? TATAs would have made JV with HAL and executed the project.They are the most experienced in Aerospace having already some running units while reliance is a fresh player.”

      It is upto Aircraft vendor i.e Dassault to select its partner in India and it is also the responsibility of Dassault to ensure delivery and quality i.e Dassault cannot hide behind its Indian vendor in case of any issues. Hence it is upto Dassualt to choose Tata’s, Reliance or anybody else. Nothing to do with the Government.

      This is a Govt to Govt deal, & not even directly between India & Dassault. India will place the order on Govt of France for the Aircraft and in return Govt of France will give guarantees w.r.t delivery, availability of spares etc. This eliminates any possibility of corruption / kickbacks / lobbying etc. Refer article linked below

      http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/future-rafale-deals-will-also-be-under-govt-to-govt-defence-minister-manohar-parrikar/

  • YES IT IS FOR DUSSAULT TO CHOOSE PARTNER BUT HOW IT CAN CHOOSE PARTNER INSTANTLY. IT IS DEFINITELY INFLUENCE WHEN PRIME MINISTER PROJECTS SOME ONE AS PARTNER. IS RELIANCE BETTER THAN HAL ?

  • Manish kumar jha

    Saaf Baat..
    Good articulation. But if India not given engine technology in return , this deal should be scrapped in national interest. Otherwise, it would also meet the Kaveri Basin fate.
    India resource, which India buy from one of its citizen.
    (Further, cost of development was provided by tax payers under beautiful PPP contract but profit is only owned by an individual.

  • Modi’s Gujarat working should be probed that why a oil corporation of Gujarat lost 20000cr ruppes.
    Rafael deal should be probed as it seems something is rotten somewhere.

  • This is definitely a Deal to favour International finanace capital and Ambanis.
    They have preferred over HAL. It is a scam by Modi Govt. to felicitate its financers. They have compromised the techonlogy and nations Money for the sake of favouratism and personal political interests.

  • jaganath prasad panda

    na khaunga na khane dunga is Modi’ s matntra for corruption. For Ambani the mantra has gone crazy like bikash in gujrat

  • Kamal Mitra Chenoy

    The steady and high increase in the price of the Rafael aircraft whose manufacturer Dassault is in poor shape including a poor reputation, is not justifiable. The Swedish Gripen and the new MIG and Sukhoi models are better. Moreover, the Russians as usual also transfer their latest technology. So why this financial bonanza to Anil & Mukesh Ambani? But why is HAL kept out of production process. They are the most experienced Indian fighter plane/bomber technology production unit. Modi has a lot to answer for. He will finance the future 2019 elections through this sweetheart deal.

    • Exactly. Even if we agree that Rafale was the best option based on the IAF’s technical criteria, as compared to Grippen or Russian planes, the transfer of technology being shelved does not make any sense.

      Further, there is no clarity from the Government on what their plan is. IAF reportedly needed 200 MMRCA’s. Now we are being told 36 shall suffice. What is the plan precisely?

      p.s. If you are THE Prof Kamal Mitra Chinoy, we owe you for being one of the first people to spot the issues with this deal! _/\_

  • Wish the author had done better research than this. Also calling bhakts and stuff in a serious article like this undermines it completely. Kindly read the cost analysis of the deal so the next time you write an article out of your area of expertise you desist. Also other people frothing at their mouth always have two viewpoints one from the party in contention and another from someone making the accusations, before carrying on with the original baseless claims unless ofcourse you are being paid to pimp the allegations.

    http://thestrategictimes.com/debunking-controversy-indian-airforces-16-years-wait-a-details-of-rafale-deal/

    • 1) The maintenance /vanilla cost argument is bogus, it was already included in the call for RFPs

      Quoting the Defence Ministry statement, the website http://www.defence-aerospace.com Published a piece on 28 August 2007. Elaborating the details in RFP for the price calculation, it wrote,

      “Asserting that the selection process would be “transparent and fair”, the Defence Ministry said the new fighters were expected to have a lifeline of over 40 years or an actual flying time of 6,000 hours, whichever is earlier. For the first time under the new fighter RFP, the Government has incorporated the Life cycle cost calculation. The tender also stipulates guaranteed serviceability and adequate supply of spares throughout the lifetime of the aircraft. The costs of the aircraft would include direct acquisition including that of weapons and missiles, warranty for first two years, licence royalty for manufacture in India, cost of technology transfer and costs of initial training.

      2. As we have pointed several times, weaponry upgrades and integrations do not seem to justify the cost escalation. If they indeed do, why isn’t the government able to simply provide it, and is being evasive about it?

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